Overleg:Yigal Amir/archief

Words from David Cohen. I actually know the Amir family, Geula Amir, Yigal's mom really well. As well as Barry Chamish really well. I am the one who built www.BarryChamish.com and www.YigalAmir.com. In fact, all email from both sites go to me. Email from Barry's site gets forwarded to Barry as well.

The first month of Yigal Amir's arrest, Yigal denied doing the murder. After some friendly persuasion he was all into blaming the Rabbis and admitting everything. I am not sure what was discussed, money and threats. But that is what happened. Yigal will never show remorse because he did not do the murder. The evidence is really overwhelming. The video of the murder is now online and even in that video you can see wierd things happenning. Look at the back passenger door of the limo close from the inside. There was a fourth person in that limo. Israeli TV showed the 10 minute video of the murder, "the Kempler video", for one week in 1996, and has not shown the video since. In fact Yigal played an exaggerated non-defense in which he seemed to want to get convicted. This exagerated desire to be convicted seems wierd and will cause Yigal eventually to be freed because anybody who studies the case realizes that Yigal shot blanks. End of comments by David Cohen

Very typical of conspiracy theorists. You know Ms. Amir and and Mr. Chamish personally. So what? Mr. Amir denied guilt and later confessed. You portray this as something special. In fact, it is extremely common behavior for a criminal. A fourth person in the limo. Fine. That does not reduce the guilt of the convicted murderer. Nor does the fact that the flower pot does not stand there today, which these theories sometimes hold onto, change anything. The Israeli Second Channel persuaded the amateur photographer, who tried at many occasions to get an uncommon shot of events, to air his film. Here, incidentally, Kempler captured with his camera, while standing on the roof of the Gan Ha'ir Mall, a murderer waiting for his victim. Because of the terms of the agreement with Mr. Kempler the Israeli Second Channel does not show the film today (also, its news value has decreased). We are used to such claims as we get them from conspiracy theorists for 9-11; it is implied that some secret service confiscates films and controls media services in democratic countries. Yeah right. Also it is implied that there is something about these tapes beyond what is known. Well there isn't. Unless the conspiracy theorists add suggestive sound effects (9-11). This, however, is a documentary by an Israeli tv channel showing uncensored footage by the photographer. Its narrative, which is not part of the original footage, is very critical of the authorities, as journalists in free countries ought to be, but there is nothing in it to strengthen conspiracy theories. On the contrary. If anything, it implies they are wrong. We will not include a link to media on your site, unless we get direct and explicit permission from the Israeli Second Channel, per our copyright policies. We advise other Wikipedia's to follow suit. gidon^b 18 jul 2005 03:04 (CEST)

more words from David Cohen- We are literally making history this week. Now that the Kemper video is online. This is the first time Israelis have seen the video in over nine years. As well as the video of Minister of Health Efraim Sneh, who happens to be a medical doctor. Dr Sneh announce the on TV that night in hebrew that Rabin was hit by three bullets. One to the chest, one to the stomach and one to the spinal cord. For those who understand any hebrew. go to the web site www.yigalamir.com or www.yitzhakrabin.co.il on the top left is the Sneh video. It is less than two minutes. Right below the Sneh video on the sites is the video of Yigal Amir himself one month after the murder saying that "he did not murder" and telling the investigator of the "fake" murder attept by a right winger to boost up Rabin's popularity. With this new evidence available to the public. All week I called the Knesset with a simple sales pitch. They all listened and learned. There are only 120 Knesset members and I called every office 7-8 times. I got passed from secretary to main advisor to the politician himself. The whole Knesset knows now. I was under the mistaken impression that the Knesset members new the truth but were just afraid. Not true. They really did not know and the total blackout of news on subject in Israel has succeeded for almost 10 years. This week they all know. Be real, of course Dr Sneh checked the body before he made the annnouncement and told the truth on TV. the Kempler video shows Yigal shooting Rabin supposedly in the back. You can see the evidence on the Kempler video of the fourth person in the limo, the bluriness of the Yigal Amir at the time of the shooting which indicates the video was tampered. The way it looks now one of the political parties will come forward very soon and brake the Rabin murder silence. I am not joking, this stuff is going to make history in the very near future. end of words by David Cohen

words by David Cohen- Gidon, you are probably a nice guy. But seriously I know what I am doing. I really did speak to the whole Knesset this week. One girl from a small leftist party had the audacity to actually say she believes Yigal did the shooting. She was the only one. I said back to her in a humorous voice. "Sweety, you are an educated person, you are not working in a supermarket, You know the video has not been on TV for 9 years. a bit suspicious, They talk about Rabin every November for a week and never show the video. That is wierd. When you look at the video you see the back door, the cuts in the video etc, Now we know why they never show it." I asked her if she thinks Dr Sneh was actually lieing or mistaken when he said on TV about the three bullets, one to chest, stomach, and spinal cord. As if he was handed a piece of paper and just started speaking. Of course he checked the body and medical documents before he went on TV. He is a medical doctor.(btw, Shamgar commision says Rabin got 2 bullets to the back) As if assasin requested from Rabin to turn around so he could shoot both sides of his body. In the end I joked to the girl that I am not recording the conversation and she can tell me what she thinks. The girl just nervously giggled. Gidon, this is not a hard murder case to proove. I am not sure where you are coming from but hopefully you don't have a personal interest in this murder. Just joking. Just another note. The Kempler video or Yigalamir.com, yitzhakrabin.co.il cannot be placed anywhere on the hebrew wiki. The litterally take it down in three minutes then lock out the page. I am not a wiki expert. but these guys take blocking out the Rabin conspiracy from hebrew wiki seriously.

Mr Cohen or Chamish, you are so full of it. Do you really think Wikipedia editors are idiots? Do you really believe anyone but an idiot would find it plausible that the Israeli minister of Health, who has not written out a prescription for an aspirin in twenty odd years (and hardly ever did more than that, because he was a physician in an army), walks into the operation room of the most famous hospital in Israel, rolls up his sleeves and performs the first autopsy in his life on the warm body of Israel's prime-minister who has just been murdered by Yigal Amir? Man, if this is what you write in your books, no wonder why you are so desperate to sell them. Even the "girl from a small leftist party" you (imagine to) have met in the Knesset, would do a better job at inventing fairy tales. Ok so you know Mr Chamish "himself", Ms. Amir "herself", you know "a girl from a small leftist party" and have spoken to all 120 Knesset members. The last item I can believe because Israeli parliament members surely have nothing to do. You know, Israeli being such a peaceful country and all that, surely nothing ever happens there and they were all eager to talk to you. To summarize, WILL YOU PLEASE STOP ADDING YOUR COMMERCIAL INTERESTS TO ALL PAGES RELATED TO YITZHAK RABIN THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT WIKIPEDIA'S? Thank you. gidon^b 24 jul 2005 03:00 (CEST)

David- I am adding the Kempler video which has great historical value.end_David

from David Cohen--Hey Gidon, this whole thing to sell books, great, There is no place on front page of yigalamir.com or yitzhakrabin.co.il to buy books. I am doing this to solve the crime of the century. It is such a bad murder conspiracy it should not take along time. Everything I write is actually what happens. You can actually call all the Knesset offices. The phone numbers are under Knesset.gov.il. They really do know the truth now. This is not a hard murder to figure out. Remember all murders are solved via witnesses, balistics, medical evidence(Rabin enters hospital with 2 wounds and leaves with three)gunpowder evidence, videos(if there is one), motive, Evidence before the crime(Avishai Raviv). And evidence after the crime(the videos of Sneh,Kempler being censored) as well as the really wierd trial in which Amir argues with the ballistic expert who says that Rabin was shot at point blank range and the trial continues and Amir gets convicted. Gidon believe me I know what I am doing and I am just loosing money on this. I happen to be somewhat well off and don't need to sell books but am really into making history. Me making history will never happen again. End- David Cohen David again- When I speak to the Knesset people part of the pitch is that a medical doctor, Dr Sneh, does not get handed a note to announce the wounds. A normal person really would check the wounds and read the medical notes before an historical announcement before a grieving nation. Dr Sneh did tell the truth and he knows how to read medical notes. Wound to chest, stomach, and spinal cord. That is what he said. I am sure he at least checked the notes. But seriously I was not there. This video was shown one time on Israeli TV and never again. I even spoke to Sneh's office and his main advisor had no idea that his boss, Sneh, made the announcement of Rabin's murder that night. Amazing, right. Seriously, Gidon, if you were part of the conspiracy to cover up the Rabin murder on wiki you would probably be taking down this conversation. So you must have good intentions and be a nice guy. but realize I am risking my life doing all this so cut me some slack. end-David Cohen... but seriously write to my email on the site. I really know my stuff on this case yigalamirgmail.com

More David- Gidon, you don't realize the incredible censor and propaganda that goes on in Israel on this subject in Israel. If it was a normal case there would be no need for the censor. Anyone who comes from the USA and hears his whole life about the possibility of JFK conspiracy all over the TV and such. You will never hear on Israeli TV, radio or one of the three major newspapers any such conspiracy talk. It is really wierd. They even have the politicians afraid. There was a radio station that aired the conspiracy out. A station called Arutz 7. The station was shut down. Now Arutz 7 is just internet. They are scared of being shut down completely if they mention Rabin conspiracy. This is a subject is taboo here, but the alot of people realize something is wierd. I am not sure what the polls say but my guess is that a bit more than half would believe conspiracy. The problem that the ideology that will loose popularity when everything gets discovered now control the media and courts. And they want to keep the censor going. But since the murder was so poorly done it can't last forever.

Since you repeat the same ridiculous claims I disproved above and seem only to transmit and not to receive, I will lay-out our policies with regards to the content you are trying to push here and elsewhere:

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2. In order to keep fantasy and facts apart, the Dutch Wikipedia includes conspiracy theories only in specially designed articles for that purpose. These are, of course, in Dutch.
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4. Therefore, at present, we can not include links to any of your websites.
5. Over and out. gidon^b 25 jul 2005 02:58 (CEST)

More David- I was in the Knesset all day today. Just talking and talking. Of course I needed a special pass to be there. One of the Knesset members gave the pass to walk the halls and "pitch" the MKs. If any people have the idea that Jews are smart, just go to the Knesset and you will see really dumb people. Whatever, the Knesset goes on vacation later this week(Thursday) , so I really don't know if it will be big news before they go on break, but if the don't kill me then they really don't have a chance. Gidon, root me on. It is not such a difficult "sale", I start with the fact that they never show the Kempler video on TV. When people realize that the whole conspiracy fits into place.

David Rutstein running for Knesset- I will need 38,000 votes to get one seat. If no one brings up this issue strongly before the next election. I will be running. It is not hard to get 1.5 percent of the electorate based on me being correct on this issue. Root me on.